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Message from Bishop David Anderson

March 8th, 2013 Jill Posted in Archbishop Of Canterbury, Conflict Comments Off

Bishop David AndersonFrom AAC

[...]  In advising the Church not to fear conflict, Archbishop Welby has in mind what he is calling reconciliation, but I want to flag that term, for he seems to be using it in a manner unaccustomed to many of us. He does not mean Biblical reconciliation, as between God and a sinner, nor as between two Christian brothers necessarily. He appears to have something in mind that I would have to call "Reconciliation Lite." Just as the homosexual community has taken a perfectly sound word "gay" and re-purposed it to mean a male homosexual, that same tendency to appropriate a familiar word and reuse it for something different needs to be flagged. You think initially that you know what the speaker is discussing, but then discover that the meaning of the word has been changed to suit the speaker's purpose. So it is with the new use of the word "reconciliation," and at the end of the day it won't really be reconciliation as we have formerly understood the term, but it will permanently change the usage of the word.

At a recent "Faith in Conflict" Conference at Coventry Cathedral, some people were defining the meaning of reconciliation as "assisted conversation" to help prevent disagreements from exploding or escalating to tear the fabric of the church. Unfortunately, of course, the current disagreements, with the American Episcopal Church (TEC) leading the way in innovation, have already torn the fabric of the church and are tearing it still further while TEC apparently prides itself on its status as the leader of the "progressive" movement.

Assisted conversation can be useful when you are within a community of common faith or a community bound by other relationships which are important. When you are dealing with what is truth and deeply held principles of life, any resolution that restores commonality is unlikely, but what may be achieved is a détente in hostility.

I think that the process being put forward may have some solid ground under it, but it needs a different name. It is not reconciliation, but it is, or could be, mediation. It could be a way of arriving at an Anglican Détente; to facilitate that some things need to be put on the table quickly.

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Moving the frontiers

March 7th, 2013 Jill Posted in Conflict Comments Off

by Justin Welby

 am still reeling from the recent Faith in Conflict (FiC) conference at Coventry Cathedral. The event had been a dream of mine for years, ever since the Church of Scotland hosted a gathering on the same theme, which a friend attended. The reality was far greater than the anticipation.

The conference aimed to look at what causes conflict in the church, and whether it is necessarily destructive. More than 200 delegates from Christian churches across England discussed fresh ways to view conflict, and different options for intervention.
 
By nature I am a conflict avoider; I like to keep my head down and get on with the job. So I have always felt that church disagreement was at best a distraction, and often worse.
 
That is true up to a point, but mainly because we disagree so unhealthily. In a series of brilliant talks over the three-day conference, Sam Wells and Jo Bailey-Wells set conflict in a completely new light. Conflict, they argued, is something that springs from our being created different. The problem is that we then respond to difference with aggression and fear. When that happens in the church, it is utterly repellent to people who are not Christians. Sam and Jo showed how, in the grace of God, conflict can be transformed. (You can listen to and read their talks here.)
 
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Faith in Conflict Conference: What is meant by “Reconciliation”?

March 5th, 2013 Chris Sugden Posted in Conflict, Faith Comments Off

Canon Dr Chris SugdenSource:  AAC International Update

The following article by the Rev. Canon Chris Sugden first appeared in the March 5, 2013 edition of the AAC's International Update. Sign up for this free email here

The “Faith in Conflict” Conference in Coventry Cathedral (www.faithinconflict.com) from February 25-27 was four years in the planning. It was centred on the Community of the Cross of Nails which grew out of the destruction of Coventry Cathedral in an air raid in 1940 which razed much of Coventry to the ground. “Father forgive” has been the motto at Coventry ever since. Among staff members of the Community at Coventry have been Andrew White, now the vicar of Baghdad, Justin Welby now Archbishop of Canterbury and David Porter who has been appointed his Director of Reconciliation.

“What is meant by reconciliation?” was a key question I pressed on speakers and resource people.  The answer was “assisted conversations” so that disagreements did not escalate to be destructive. It was freely acknowledged that when issues of truth and  principle are at stake, such processes are not intended to resolve the impasse in a via media but to enable those who disagree to live in as high a degree of Christian unity as may be possible. Reconciliation may not have its full biblical and theological meaning in this usage.

In the scripture, reconciliation means reconciliation with God and by such reconciliation effected by Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection, we are reconciled to each other across the diversity of race, gender and class, which are turned into hostile divisions by sin.  Paul devotes his letters to enabling communities comprised of Christian Jews and Christian Gentiles to express the reconciliation Jesus had effected, rooted in their common confession of sin at the  cross and faith in his atoning sacrifice and life-giving resurrection.

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Archbishop compares C of E to shouting family

March 2nd, 2013 Jill Posted in Archbishop Of Canterbury, Church of England, Conflict Comments Off

By Gavin Drake, Church Times

THE Archbishop of Canterbury has warned that he has "no magic wand", and that there is "no silver bullet" to resolve the conflicts in the Church of England or the Anglican Communion.

Speaking to the Church Times at the "Faith in Conflict" conference at Coventry Cathedral, Archbishop Welby sought to play down the "huge expectation" that people had placed on his experience of conflict-resolution. He said that he could only "help to set the tone".

He said that he would seek to put his past work in reconciliation to good use. Nevertheless, he continued: "Reconciliation is never ever delivered by one person or a group of people. Reconciliation is something that is done by people in the conflict with each other.

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Archbishop’s address at ‘Faith in Conflict’ conference

February 28th, 2013 Jill Posted in Conflict, Faith Comments Off

The Most Revd Justin Welby, Archbishop of Canterbury, led the final plenary session at 'Faith in Conflict', an ecumenical conference exploring how conflict is handled across the church.

Over 200 delegates from Christian churches all over England and beyond gathered at Coventry Cathedral from 26-28 February. The conference sessions over the three days have worked towards understanding the challenges that face the Christian church, gaining a renewed vision in viewing conflict differently and exploring options for intervention. The conference drew to a close on Thursday lunchtime with a Eucharist presided over by Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury. See his address below.
Speaking about Faith in Conflict, the Archbishop said:
“This conference is some years in the making. I have always been hopeful that it would mark a step for the Church of England’s capacity when dealing with conflict. In fact, it is proving to be much more significant than that, setting a clear and radical path for our opportunity to be peacemakers and confidence builders in our society.”
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Britain’s culture wars

December 21st, 2012 Jill Posted in Conflict, Culture Comments Off

By Andrew Carey, CEN

American-style ‘culture wars’ are breaking forth in British society as a result of the politics of gay marriage, argued Fraser Nelson last weekend (Britain is getting a glimpse of the crazy world of culture wars, Sunday Telegraph, 13 December 2012).

He is late to the party. I have regularly documented in this column the fact that these so-called ‘culture wars’ have been with us for over a decade. Nelson helpfully draws attention to the American sociologist James Hunter, who defines them in terms of “political and social hostility rooted in different systems of moral understanding.”

Nelson writes: “The trick is to draw a dividing line, insult those on the other side – and try to attract supporters by forcing people to choose.”

The really ‘crazy’ thing is that David Cameron is introducing this heightened form of cultural warfare over gay marriage at this particular time and with such determination. Opinion polls reveal a slight majority support for gay marriage especially among younger people, but there is an even greater suspicion on the part of the public that Cameron’s personal motives are partisan, cynical and ‘trendy’.

One of the most concerning aspects of this for Christians is the fact that the introduction of gay marriage bounces the churches into renewed division over an issue that has come out of nowhere. Over the years I have spoken to many Christian gay activists who have told me that the unions they want the church to approve are not ‘marriage’. They recognised that ‘marriage’ had particular theological connotations that were universally accepted as subsisting in the complementarity of the genders with the potential for procreation.

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Why No Denomination Will Survive the Homosexuality Crisis

July 17th, 2012 Jill Posted in Conflict, Homosexuality Comments Off

By Kevin DeYoung, Christian Post

There is no way, short of a miraculous and full-scale changing of hearts and minds, for North American denominations to survive the homosexuality crisis. Denominations like the PCUSA, ELCA, RCA, UMC, and Episcopal Church will continue. They won't fold their tents and join the Southern Baptists (though wouldn't that be interesting!). I'm not suggesting most of our old, mainline denominations will disappear. But I do not see how any of these once flourishing denominations will make it through the present crisis intact.

And the sooner denominations admit this sobering reality the better.

Every denomination is different. The percentages on both sides of the issue and the official positions are not identical. But the basic contours of the problem are quite similar.

On one side you have liberals who want to see the church open its doors to the GLBT agenda. They want homosexual behavior welcomed and affirmed. They want to perform gay marriages. They want gays and lesbians to be ordained to church office. Liberals (or "progressives" or whatever-I'm trying to use neutral labels) see this as a justice issue. They believe conservatives are simply on the wrong side of history and that one day we will look at our traditional attitudes toward gays and lesbians like we look at old attitudes toward African Americans or our old attitudes toward women's ordination. We will be embarrassed to see that we could have been so blind and bigoted for so long.

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Nigeria unrest ‘worse than 1960s civil war’

May 1st, 2012 Jill Posted in Conflict, Nigeria Comments Off

From Al Jazeera

President Goodluck Jonathan says there are Boko Haram sympathisers in government, judiciary and armed forces.

Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan has said that spiralling violence blamed on the radical Islamist group Boko Haram is "even worse" than the country's 1960s civil war.

"The situation we have in our hands is even worse than the civil war that we fought," Jonathan said at a church service on Sunday, referring to Nigeria's 1967-70 civil war that killed more than a million people..
 
The death toll linked to violence blamed on the Islamist group has not reached anywhere near that level, but Jonathan cited the unpredictability and pervasiveness of the threat.

"During the civil war, we knew and we could even predict where the enemy was coming from … But the challenge we have today is more complicated."

He said there are Boko Haram sympathisers in government.

"Some of them are in the executive arm of government, some of them are in the parliamentary/legislative arm of government, while some of them are even in the judiciary," Jonathan told a church service for armed forces remembrance day.

"Some are also in the armed forces, the police and other security agencies."

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Making noise, not arguments

April 14th, 2012 Jill Posted in Conflict Comments Off

By Jennifer Roback Morse, MercatorNet

In my work as a social conservative, I have been puzzled by some of the rhetorical strategies of my opponents. Sometimes I feel my head spinning, as if I have been going around in circles, with no obvious conclusion in sight. I have been seeking the key to understanding them, a Rosetta Stone that will allow me to translate what otherwise appears to be mere hieroglyphics.

I think I am finally getting a handle on it. The lifestyle left doesn’t actually make arguments. They just make noise.
 
Over at Think Progress, there is a case in point, involving Yours Truly.
 
The occasion for this particular episode is my response to being included in the GLAAD “Commentator Accountability Project.”
 
Evidently, the folks at GLAAD feel a need to inform the media that I am not worthy of being interviewed. In response, I wrote an article entitled, “Why Opposing the Gay Lobby is Not Anti-Gay.” The folks over at Think Progress came up with this headline “NOM: Opposing Gay Rights Doesn’t Make Someone Anti-Gay.”
 
Do you see what they have done? They have slipped in an unstated assumption that the “gay lobby” = “gay rights.” Anyone who disagrees with the gay lobby automatically, always and everywhere, opposes gay rights. Put it another way: they have turned an important and debatable question into an unquestioned assumption.
 
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Nigeria’s Descending Darkness

April 3rd, 2012 Jill Posted in Conflict, Nigeria Comments Off

by Alan Craig

We sat in the back of a 4X4 discussing sectarian violence in Nigeria while we toured dirt-poor villages outside Jos, Plateau State, in the central belt of the country. He was the Nigeria researcher at the Washington office of international NGO Human Rights Watch and I was making my second visit to Jos.

My previous visit in November 2010 (here) had been so disturbing that I pulled together a small group of London-based Nigerians and we formed LoveJos (here), an organisation aimed at increasing awareness of the deteriorating situation in Jos and Plateau State amongst the UK Nigerian diaspora. We staffed an information stall at the massive Festival of Life at ExCel in Docklands (here) in April, held a conference in September and a vigil outside the Nigerian High Commission in January.
 
So I went back last month to assess the latest situation and spent a day visiting outlying Christian villages that had been attacked by Fulani Muslim settlers. In one we met a young man who lost all his family. We examined the bullet holes in the mud-brick and corrugated-iron huts that serve as homes, and paid our respects at the earthen graves out the back where he’d buried his family.
 
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UK marks 30th anniversary of Falklands War

April 2nd, 2012 Jill Posted in Conflict Comments Off

From Christian Today

The UK and Argentina are marking 30 years since the start of the Falklands War.

It is three decades since Argentinian troops invaded the Falklands Islands and took control of capital Port Stanley.

The 74-day conflict killed 649 Argentinians and 255 British armed forces personnel.

The Government has marked the occasion by reaffirming the right of the Falkland Islanders to self-determination.

David Cameron said in a statement: "Thirty years ago today the people of the Falkland Islands suffered an act of aggression that sought to rob them of their freedom and their way of life.

"Today is a day for commemoration and reflection: a day to remember all those who lost their lives in the conflict – the members of our Armed Forces, as well as the Argentinian personnel who died. Today, we salute the heroism of the Task Force which set sail to free the islands.”

The Prime Minister said he was proud of the role Britain had played in “righting a profound wrong”.

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African Anglicans appeal for harmony, understanding between Muslims and Christians

February 9th, 2012 Jill Posted in Conflict, Global South Comments Off

From ECNS

Anglican leaders from across the continent of Africa have made an emotional appeal to Muslim faith leaders to stand with them in opposition to "tragic violence that is destroying our communities".

The appeal was issued at the end of a three-day meeting of the Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa in Burundi where conflict between the two faiths was high on the agenda.

The statement read: "The Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa…has noted with much sadness the increasing deterioration between Muslim and Christian communities in different parts of the world, specifically our Provinces of Sudan, Nigeria, and the Diocese of Egypt.

"As a council, coming from communities diverse in religion and culture, the present circumstances have forced us to ask whether the violence we see and experience is driven by religious intolerance from our brothers of different religions with whom we have lived together for generations, in some cases centuries, or whether in fact it is a result of a much greater problem of exploitation of ignorance and religious beliefs for political gain.

"Whatever the cause, the subsequent violence is devastating. In most cases, this societal decline has resulted in bloodshed, loss of life, livelihoods, poor living standards, and has bred bitterness and hopelessness."

Highlighting conflict in Sudan, South Sudan, Egypt and Nigeria the statement–signed on behalf of CAPA by the outgoing Chairman Archbishop Ian Ernest–called for an end to violence that "destabilise whole communities".

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Civil War looms in Nigeria

January 8th, 2012 Jill Posted in Conflict, Islam, Nigeria Comments Off

Archbishop Nicholas OkohBy George Conger, CEN

Action, not talk is needed from Muslim leaders if Nigeria is not to fall into civil war, the Primate of the Church of Nigeria said last week in the wake of Christmas Day terror attacks mounted by the Islamist militant group, Boko Haram.
 
Archbishop Nicholas Okoh appealed to Nigeria’s Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs to exercise leadership, saying “it is not enough to condemn the act. It is not enough to dissociate itself from it.”
 
Muslim leaders “must take some pragmatic steps in the interest of all of us to bring about an end to this matter. There is no other body in a better position to speak to Boko Haram,” the archbishop told reporters last week during a visit to St Theresa’s Catholic Church in Madalla in the Niger State.
 
On 1 Jan 2012 Boko Haram issued an ultimatum to Christians living in the Muslim majority areas of Northern Nigeria to leave within three days, or face their wrath. The terror group has claimed responsibility for a series of bomb and gun attacks on churches and the police stations across five states on Christmas Day. At St Theresa’s Catholic Church in Madalla near the capital of Abuja, 35 people were killed when a bomb was tossed into the congregation as the service was ending. A half dozen other Christians were killed in related attacks across the North also.
 
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Occupy London: silence of once-critical clerics is infuriating but understandable

October 30th, 2011 Jill Posted in Church of England, Conflict Comments Off

By Riazat Butt, Guardian

The St Paul's situation puts Rowan Williams and other bishops who have decried banking practices in an impossible quandary

The last few years have seen senior clerics in the Church of England rush to decry banking practices. And they come no more senior than Rowan Williams, the archbishop of Canterbury, who has dim views of the frailties of global finance.

In September 2008 in an article published in the Spectator magazine, he wrote: "It is no use pretending that the financial world can maintain indefinitely the degree of exemption from scrutiny and regulation that it has got used to. This crisis exposes the basic level of unreality in the situation – the truth that almost unimaginable wealth has been generated by equally unimaginable levels of fiction, paper transactions with no concrete outcome beyond profit for traders."

Williams, therefore, has common cause with the protesters outside St Paul's Cathedral in London. Whereas the cathedral's former canon chancellor recently said he could imagine Jesus being born in the camp, it is easy to imagine Williams, below, in another life pitching his tent in the churchyard in solidarity with the activists.

In 2009 Williams was still pursuing bankers. "We haven't heard people saying, 'Well actually, no, we got it wrong. And the whole fundamental principle on which we worked was unreal, was empty'."

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The BBC airbrushes out Palestinian attacks — again

October 30th, 2011 Jill Posted in Conflict, Israel, Media Comments Off

by Melanie Phillips

During the past 24 hours, Israel has been under sustained rocket attack from Gaza. Some 35 rockets and mortar shells were fired deep into the country, killing one man in Ashkelon and injuring four other people elsewhere. In Ashdod, vehicles were set on fire and a school –fortunately empty — was hit. The rocket barrage followed an IDF strike on Gaza which killed five members of Islamic Jihad – and which itself was targeted at the IJ terrorist cell responsible for launching a Grad rocket that exploded in Ashdod last Wednesday.
 
This, however, is how BBC News has reported the past day’s events on its website:
 
'Militants killed in Israeli air strikes on Gaza [...]

[...]  This reporting is simply disgraceful and inexcusable. Such selective manipulation of the facts and consequent misrepresentation of cause and effect reverses victim and aggressor in the Middle East, serves the cause of Arab propaganda and foments public hatred of Israel, all with untold consequences around the world.

As has been observed for years, the BBC’s reporting on Israel is out of control. The BBC is clearly incapable of putting its own house in order; its abuse of journalism on this most sensitive of issues is now so egregious that it is surely a matter that should be raised in Parliament.

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Read also:  Journalism, propaganda and moral confusion (part two)

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Statement from the Dean and Chapter of St Paul’s Cathedral

October 20th, 2011 Jill Posted in Church of England, Conflict, News Comments Off

From St Paul's website

‘St Paul’s Cathedral stated on Monday that it was still trying to provide worship and welcome to all in spite of the presence of the protest camp in the churchyard. St Paul’s asked everyone to respect this need and to acknowledge the risk to the life of the cathedral posed by the current situation.”

"The cathedral has managed so far to remain open on a reduced basis. The increased scale and nature of the protest camp is such that to act safely and responsibly the cathedral must now review the extent to which it can remain open for the many thousands coming this week as worshippers, visitors and in school parties. Is it now time for the protest camp to leave? The consequences of a decision to close St Paul’s cannot be taken lightly’.

 

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UK chaplains in Afghanistan: ordinary priests with an extraordinary flock

October 5th, 2011 Jill Posted in Conflict, Faith Comments Off

By Riazat Butt, Guardian

With their camouflage Bibles and combat crosses, the forces' 278 chaplains are outsiders in the church and the military

The Rev James Francis was travelling in an armoured vehicle north of the Bowri desert in Afghanistan, accompanying the Brigade Reconnaissance Force during the stopping and searching of vehicles for insurgents, when a Royal Marine interrupted his chat with a gunner to ask if it was right to kill.
 
"That was a direct question," says the padre for 30 Commando, "but it's quite normal for these things to occur to people out here and it's vital that when difficult decisions are being made we have direct answers, that as Christians we don't retreat into some kind of holy huddle."
 
Francis is the archetypal Church of England priest – cheerful, polite, with James Herriot DVDs and a lavish tea collection – but his congregation is extraordinary: British forces who on Friday will have been engaged in operations in Afghanistan for 10 years in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. Chaplains – there are 278 serving in the British military – have also been in the country for a decade to minister and give comfort when the war exacts terrible costs. There have been 382 UK military fatalities in Afghanistan since 2002 – 35 of them this year.
 
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Conflict of ‘enormous proportions’ brewing thanks to Obama anti-marriage stance: head of US bishops

September 24th, 2011 Jill Posted in Conflict, Marriage, Religious Liberty Comments Off

Archbishop Timothy DolanBy Peter Baklinski, LifeSite News

The head of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has expressed his “strong disappointment” in an open letter to the U.S. president over his policies that threaten true marriage and the traditional family.

“Recent actions taken by your Administration … both escalate the threat to marriage and imperil the religious freedom of those who promote and defend marriage,” wrote New York’s Archbishop Dolan to President Obama on September 20th, 2011.

“Mr. President, I respectfully urge you to push the reset button on your Administration?s approach to DOMA,” wrote Archbishop Dolan to the president in a recent letter.

This letter comes at a time when the Obama Administration has shifted from not defending the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) to actively attacking the Act’s constitutionality. Just two months ago the Department of Justice (DoJ) filed a brief in Golinski v. U.S. Office of Personnel Management, arguing that DOMA should be struck down as a form of sexual orientation discrimination.

In the letter, the archbishop states that he and his brother bishops cannot be silent “when federal steps harmful to marriage, the laws defending it, and religious freedom continue apace.”

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Read also:  White House denounces pro-marriage ballot initiative in North Carolina


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Christian courageous

September 9th, 2011 Jill Posted in Archbishop Of Canterbury, Conflict, Global South Comments Off

Telegraph editorial

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, is right to expose himself to risk by visiting Zimbabwe, where many Christians practise their faith in fear, and meeting its President, Robert Mugabe.

The Archbishop of Canterbury is head of the Anglican Communion. That is not an enviable position to hold: the doctrinal splits in worldwide Anglicanism have become so bitter that Dr Rowan Williams has spent much of his time in office caught in the crossfire between liberal and evangelical lobbies, acting more as a harassed chairman than any sort of leader. This week, however, Lambeth Palace announced that Dr Williams plans to display leadership in a practical and brave way. He will travel to Zimbabwe next month to show solidarity with Anglicans caught up in the vicious factional disputes associated with Robert Mugabe’s violent regime.

Dr Williams has also requested a meeting with Mr Mugabe, which promises to be an awkward occasion. The Zimbabwean president already commands the loyalty of several discredited Anglican and Catholic bishops in his country – a situation that should be a source of shame for both Churches. The encounter requires a mixture of plain speaking and diplomacy; the Archbishop must resist the temptation to waffle. And he should be aware that Mr Mugabe – nominally a Roman Catholic – is a master of the dictator’s art of turning visits by well-meaning dignitaries into publicity stunts, and especially good at exploiting the naivety of Left-wing clergymen.

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Religion in Camp Bastion: ‘What people are asked to do here can lead to big questions’

August 28th, 2011 Jill Posted in Conflict, Faith Comments Off

By Riazat Butt, Guardian

Few things stay spotless in Camp Bastion, Britain's dusty and parched military base in south-western Afghanistan. An exception perhaps is a monument, topped by a cross made from discarded shell casings, which sits in a 300sq ft area. It is the focus for an unhappily frequent occasion for servicemen and women – a vigil for soldiers who have fallen in the line of duty in Helmand province.
 
Last Wednesday evening, thousands of troops gathered to remember Lt Daniel John Clack, C Company 1 Rifles, in a 30-minute ceremony that wove together Christian and military liturgy. For many in attendance, the vigils will be their only regular exposure to religion whether on deployment or in Civvy Street.
 
Sergeant Ryan Coleman of 78 Squadron says: "Even if people don't actively practice it they may think about it, especially at times like vigils. For some people it might be their only visible practice of religion. You have everything here – from people who think there's nothing there, those who don't practice but it is a part of their life and there are those for whom it plays a bigger part. I would be disappointed if you just dug a hole and dropped me in."
 
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